Part four of an interview with: Ren

How have you seen some audience members change after the performances from beginning to end, or if…I don’t know if you have met people before the show and (you’ve) talked to them after, or they’ve talked to you about what they experienced after.

 

It’s just...a variety, a huge variety. But I don’t really know directly after because usually directly after a show people are having a think, they’re processing. Sometimes they don’t even know to clap because they’re like, “Oh...okay yes that was good but I’m not sure why yet and there’s a few things in there that I’m going to have to think about.” And a lot of people do say after seeing my show that it’s given them something to think about, and they were going to rethink their labels and their identity. And some of them have put a lot of thought into it, and some of them not any at all. It’s just been assumed and that’s not necessarily the people you would think it was. We tend to think that the cisgender, heterosexual people are the ones who never put any thought into it and that is often true. But sometimes it’s also like a lesbian woman who’s just like, “I never considered these aspects of myself.” My theory is that we’re all quite broad in who we are and we have ways that we prefer being in the world, and ways that we feel comfortable being in the world. And it can be really hard to own those things, especially if we’re told that they’re contradictory to how we look or who we’re told we were etc. And that’s way beyond gender and sexuality. If I ask I have a friend of mine who identifies as a parent or whatever and I say, “Tell me a little bit about yourself.” (not that I don’t know them because I do,) but if someone else asks that they would say, “I’m a proud parent. I’m a mother. I’m a schoolteacher...” or whatever, they go down the list of describing who they are by what they’ve invested in. And they’ll gather based on those identities with other people who also identify that way. At the end of the day, or in the universe, none of us are just those things. We are...we have infinite potential. So long as we’re alive to express ourselves in so many ways and people don’t have a problem with them being kind of contradictory or complimentary. Even when they’re not along a binary system like male or female, like we consider heterosexual or homosexual...we have no problem with someone who is both a mother and a teacher. But we do have a problem when someone says when someone says they’re both male or female or in more than one attraction community, or maybe a bit more flexible or fluid. That uncertainty thing really gets under people’s skin. So I’ve seen a number of people change just around kind of shifting what they think is possible is probably the easiest way to sum it up. I’m inviting people to expand what they think is possible.

 

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